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Is she saying "Share BD"? I didn't quite catch it.

Could you speak more slowly?

SHARE VDE

Share VDE I think

got it--thank you!

Share-VDE - Share Virtual Discovery Environment

Thanks--I am so not in the know.

Beware if there is automatic voice transcription on this, last time I mentioned Share-VDE on Zoom, the transcription rendered it as Shared VD, which is definitely something you don't want!

😂

Haha

Do many use Sinopia?, I've never heard of it before.

It's new to me too.

@Matt Person I have played around with Sinopia but don't actually use it to catalog.

Is it free to use or is there a license fee?

I've never heard of Sinopia either.

There is the PCC Sinopia Cataloging Affinity Group. Notes and recordings of the meetings are available here: https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/LD4P3/PCC+Sinopia+Cataloging+Affinity+Group

https://sinopia.io/

It was widely used during the Mellon-funded LD4 BIBFRAME grant

Here is the Sinopia stage version, where you can create a user account and test around - https://stage.sinopia.io/.

It is free to use, but I don't think many libraries are using it for production-level cataloging yet

thank you

Thanks for all the helpful info.

How does Sinopia with non-roman records?

Share VDE is not free, however (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

What triggers the creation of a BIBFRAME hub?

Will these slides be available later? It's going by very quickly.

Anyone with a login can also adjust/create their own templates in any linked data vocabulary. There is a Non-Latin Affinity Group as part of the LD4 community focused on Non-Latin cataloging in Sinopia. Yes SHARE-VDE is very not-free. But its data is open.

@zaineb - LD4 non-latin affinity group https://wiki.lyrasis.org/display/LD4P2/Non-Latin+Script+Materials+Affinity+Group

Also, Sinopia developers are very responsive to issues on GitHub: https://github.com/LD4P/sinopia_editor

Yes, it is being recorded.

About “Share VDE is not free, however (someone correct me if I'm wrong)”: no, currently it’s not an open source but it’s possible to join the community with different levels of participation.

Thank you Paloma!

SVDE is not free, correct, but they will be making PCC data open to all.

Word use question -- Bibframe is the Library of Congress's editing software. Nancy seems to be using "Bibframe" in a different way, meaning linked data. So is this what we will be calling bibliographic linked data?

How many catalogers are doing copy at Stanford and how many are doing original and how many are doing linked data cataloging?

Did I understand that currently you can't "edit" within Sinopia but have to export to your ILS and then edit within the ILS? This is different from what can be done now in OCLC (and I guess others) - edit the copy in the utility and then import.

@JK - Bibframe is a linked data format -- the Bibframe Editor is the LC's editing software

@JK Milligan -- BIBFRAME is the metadata standard the LC is developing to replace MARC.

The short answer is that BIBFRAME is the replacement for MARC. The long answer is https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/

@JK - BIBFRAME is an ontology for description of bibliographic resources - https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/

BIBFRAME is a linked data ontology developed by the Library of Congress. LC also has a BIBFRAME editor, on which Sinopia was based. Both editors can make use of LC's BIBFRAME ontology

@Jean Sinopia is an editing environment and can be used completely independently of an ILS

I think we can't see what Al is trying to show us at the moment

We can only see the Voyager window

Editing is possible within Sinopia, but the creating institution may limit the ability to edit the records they create, for example to PCC libraries only

He shared just one window and not his whole desktop..?

Correct, can only view voyager screen

Thank you, JW, PG, and Crystal!

Jean, you can edit a Sinopia description if you have the permissions for that particular description. Generally, I would guess people will provide broad permissions for editing.

Nancy, I think institutions without editing permissions are able to clone PCC records and edit those, correct? Is that a best practice in Sinopia? If so, do resource templates allow for "sameAs" or similar statements to be made between restricted description sets and copied-and-edited versions?

Is MARVA the LoC's proprietary triple store?

yes, you can copy/clone any description. So if you aren't a PCC group member, you can clone that description, just as if you were doing derived original cataloging, and export your cloned description to your ILS (if that is available to you)

MARVA is LC's BF editor

Thanks Nancy!

thanks for letting me clarify Crystal!

MARVA is the editor only

Thanks, Nancy. So the triple store is what Al is calling the Bibframe database.

How does Bibframe identify Expressions?

And MARVA and Sinopia are two different editors

In BIBFRAME, Expressions are a type of Work (https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/docs/bibframe2-model.html)

RDA expressions map to BIBFRAME Works

Does MARVA allow users to edit templates and use any linked data ontology, or are all descriptions restricted to LC BIBFRAME templates? Is there a summary somewhere of major differences between Sinopia and MARVA?

Can we see (i) a link to a hub, (ii) a hub record, please?

Is there any way to apply a style sheet to a bib, i.e. make an all caps copy record into sentence case or similar?

you can look at BF hubs at id.loc.gov

Does MARVA only work with Voyager or also with other systems?

At this time, catalogers are not able to edit the user templates in Marva. It is possible to use non-BIBFRAME ontologies in Marva. For instance, the Performed Music Ontology structure is used for medium of performance.

Crystal, Marva allows any template, but not user-editable. Non-bibframe elements are fine.

Elizabeth, Marva is completely independent of LC's Voyager system.

This begs the question of efficiencies for item turnover?

You search for hubs within BIBFRAME works. Here's an example: https://id.loc.gov/resources/hubs/a4ef82ca-0c25-56b6-cfc1-a0258de4314a.html

Laura Spahr can you explain what you mean?

Thinking from a perspective of workflow efficiencies

Are all new MARC records also being added to the BFDB?

@Ashlie--no

Data takes 5 minutes to process?

Hub has been defined here: https://id.loc.gov/ontologies/bibframe.html#c_Hub "An abstract resource that functions as a bridge between two Works." and subclass of:Work. I am still a bit mystified by the Hub and how it relates to rda:Work and svde super works

cool walkthrough!

Need a little more info in the hub display for the War and Peace expressions so you don't need to click into every one.

Ashlie, yes, we import daily from our catalog

@Lara - A MARC record takes *up to* 5 minutes to propagate from the MARC-based ILS (Voyager) to the BF system.

Robin, yes; that's on our radar; thanks.

Ah, okay, thank you.

@Laura--it often transfers a lot faster.

@nate, I figured. ;-)

Web forms are klunkier to edit, having to open a window to choose a diacritic, as opposed to a shortcut key, etc. ... We have developed so many efficiencies with our MARC editors. How to get that in linked data again? An aspect we shouldn't ignore for the future...

It seems the problem is web forms vs. desktop clients. It's much easier to enter data in Connexion client than in the browser, for instance

Is this plan available for us to read?

@Staci FOLIO has similar challenges

That is a personal preference :) I like web forms so much better. :)

@Laura - same with Alma's Metadata Editor (sigh)

Agree about Alma's Metadata editor.😞

@Jolene - That's fair! ;) Agreed it's personal preference and what you're cataloging. For folks who need diacritics, etc., web forms can be frustrating

I wished to be there at the beginning of the presentation, but power outrage happened.

Quoc Vinh Van it is being recorded.

Our MARVA editor has all the same macros for diacritics as we have in Voyager

True enough. If you are using one language, a language/script-oriented keyboard can help, but not for everything (e.g., transliteration). Local macros are possible for more common diacritics

So far, I haven't heard any of the presenters talk about RDA. Forgive me my ignorance, but it is just that because this is copy cataloging that RDA doesn't even figure into it?

I think Al mentioned it during his walkthrough?

Shawne, I would say, that's true.

RDA and/or RDA2?

what's the difference between MARVA and Sinopia?

+ 1 Shawne. The University of Washington has created RDA templates and an RDA dataset in Sinopia, and are working on a new set of LRM/RDA/RDF templates as alternatives to BIBFRAME, which is insufficient for representing RDA description sets as linked data in my opinion.

I'm asking this from a cataloger educator perspective. What I teach in my basic cataloging--I have to ask if I am focusing on the correct things?

Shawne, regardless of whether the descriptions are RDA or not, we need to figure out how to re-use/copy them.

What is a good example of a front end of a linked data catalog, to show what the public impact would be?

Yes, I completely agree on that part. My concern is what students coming out of my class, or our advanced cataloging and metadata courses should know in order to hit the ground running

We are going to save this chat, which has a lot of the answers to everyone's questions. For those that have not been answered, we will try to get answers for them all to the best of our abilities! Thank you everyone for all the great questions and participation!

I teach them how LRM, how to navigate and use RDA, create MARC records, and read and understand the standards and their documentation

Sorry, bah typing

bad

@Sarah during the Linked Data Interest Group session tomorrow, speakers will present on incorporating linked data in the Cornell discovery system

Thanks!

@Benjamin - is that meeting open to anyone

@Shawne - Students probably don't need to learn any of this to hit the ground running? Usage isn't widespread and probably won't be for a while.

It is @Ruth

Do you have a link handy?

here's the page to all the Interest Group Week sessions: https://www.ala.org/core/continuing-education/interest-group-week

Thanks!

@Staci --you mean what is being presented today?

Thank you!

@Ruth @Sarah more info and registration available from this page:https://www.ala.org/core/continuing-education/interest-group-week

In a linked data environment where bibliographic description are based on entities (no matter the ontology used), wouldn't ideal copy cataloging be about describing your unique entities (e.g. items) and linking to existing common entities, no matter in what data source they live?

@Shawne - Yes, what's presented today seems to still be too new (and complex) for the rest of us to fully embrace in regular cataloging workflows. Today's presentations were a glimpse into what's possible today, but many of us don't have the capacity, yet

Present a webinar for Core! Submit your idea online at https://tinyurl.com/corewebinarproposal for the spring and summer 2022 Core schedule.

Ideally, yes, Paloma. But someone has to come up with the common data pool!

@Staci---yes, I agree, but at some point we have to start to understand this.

Thank you

@Shawne, I think they still need to now LRM, how to use RDA, but the MARC would be different. Different order to think of when cataloging an item in hand, not thinking so much in tag #s, indicators, subfields. But as others have said, I think there will be a lot of hybrid time.

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This was great to see how some libraries are working with the new BIBFRAME. Thanks so much

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