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Competencies & Education for a Career in Cataloging Interest Group (Core IG Week) - Shared screen with speaker view
Karen Snow
12:45
Hi Rachel! Good to see you!
Rachel Whitman
13:04
Hello! 😊
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
13:25
Hi, everyone - I'm a Core staff member. Just a quick note that our Code of Conduct can be found at http://www.ala.org/core/about/statement-of-conduct . Please contact me through private chat or at jlevine@ala.org if you experience or see any violations of the Code.
Karen Snow
14:05
https://sites.google.com/view/cataloging-ethics/home
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
14:09
If you're not already a member of this interest group, you can join it at https://connect.ala.org/core/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=8360afab-32e0-4554-a28c-e5e373fa5574
Karen Snow
14:29
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IBz7nXQPfr3U1P6Xiar9cLAkzoNX_P9fq7eHvzfSlZ0/edit#heading=h.vtdt667wn9cc
Emiy Baldoni
25:09
Resending the link to the Cataloguing Code of Ethics for anyone who came in late: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IBz7nXQPfr3U1P6Xiar9cLAkzoNX_P9fq7eHvzfSlZ0/edit#heading=h.vtdt667wn9cc
Susan Morris
28:23
The six WGs are organized by functional cataloging area. Did you consider an organization by areas of ethical responsibility, e.g. a WG on financial ethics, a WG on inclusivity, etc.? Would the results be different? Thank you for your hard work!
Violet Fox
28:26
Here's the first draft, which shows case studies: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DT1K2bEkbJN4-rLfC-cT20E4ThFkDsea_d4d1YTurf8/edit
shay beezley
30:45
How do people go about joining the working groups? Are they required to be ALA or equivalent members?
Laura Daniels (sher/her)
32:16
Are you considering using any of the case studies from the initial working group reports?
Susan Morris
33:14
I'd be very interested in ethics of working two jobs, for different institutions with possibly conflicting interests. Many of us work two jobs nowadays!
Laura Dicapo
34:01
Have you considered getting input from graduate students in Library Science on their perspectives on the code? How it could be improved. Job well done.
shay beezley
34:35
I like that too! Much better than the implication of working forever :)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
37:24
We have an anonymous question that was submitted: "Re: proposed google form for collecting case studies. I like this idea, but could you please provide some guidelines for submitting case studies, so that submissions don't violate any privacy concerns or workplace related policies? Thank you!"
judith Cannan
38:51
Have you thought about training librarians in the Code of Ethics and how they should think about the users of our services.
Kathleen McElhinney
39:06
The previous code was an extension of the ALA code of ethics. Is this one envisioned as an extension as well?
Violet Fox
40:00
What do you mean by "previous code," Kathleen?
judith Cannan
40:13
I am addressing the training of practicing librarians.
Jesse Lambertson
40:58
Q: What do you ultimately hope to see as a result of implementing this Code, specifically, and how confident would you be in that assessment? thank you
Laura Dicapo
41:03
Thanks so much for your insights on my question. As a recent MLIS graduate interested in becoming a cataloger, it is interesting to get insights from others in the field
Kathleen McElhinney
41:34
This is what I am talk ing about?
Kathleen McElhinney
41:36
http://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/alaethics
Kathleen McElhinney
42:34
@violet:: oops didn't mean a '?'
Stella Tang
45:33
how are you going to “educate” the upper management to accept the codes?
Kelly Swickard
46:05
+ good question Stella
Kathleen McElhinney
46:21
Sorry, I wasn't clear. Will this replace the 1994 supplement to the code (link above)
Kathleen McElhinney
47:03
ok
Lori Robare
47:15
The 1994 supplement is ALCTS-wide, not focused on cataloging specifically.
Ian (Yann) Matzen, He/His/Him
48:05
Thank you to those involved in this work. The reason for this document is clear to me, though I have been asked to prove or validate the need for the code is by other information professionals who work in other spaces, such as the corporate sphere. Thank goodness for all of the literature that has been written on this topic! Do you think including a literature review, alongside the case studies, would support the code's widespread adoption?
Violet Fox
48:57
@Ian, there is a "Cataloging Ethics bibliography" available on the website of the steering committee: https://sites.google.com/view/cataloging-ethics/home
Karen Snow
49:39
Violet - thanks for mentioning that. I try to keep it updated, but need to add more to it.
judith Cannan
50:09
But there are basic ethics that should be followed regardless of your place of work.
Ian (Yann) Matzen, He/His/Him
50:39
Thank you, @Violet Fox.
Jesse Lambertson
50:49
+1 Judith
Stella Tang
52:01
only talking is not enough time, may be some PR is needed.
Karen Snow
53:19
ksnow@dom.edu
Stella Tang
53:27
not only to the middle managers but the whole library world needs to know about the codes.
Susan Morris
53:58
What kind of endorsement do you envision from IFLA -- endorsement by the Cataloguing [sic] Section? Professional Committee, soon to be reshaped as the Professional Council?
May Chan
54:50
@Stella …agree that talking is not the only mode of influence …. I hope that these type of events and the actual creation of the statement can be used for PR. Also agree that more folks need to be aware of the codes … I encourage everyone to seek these out and hope that their supervisors are supportive of those efforts as a form of professional development.
Andie Craley
55:29
Would these be shared with Cataloging Committees on various ALA Round Tables?
Athena Salaba
56:31
@Susan - once it is endorsed and adopted by ALA, etc.) it can go tot IFLA for endorsement. The relevant standing committees would provide input
Athena Salaba
58:06
IFLA’s 3 relevant SCs include Bibliography, Cataloguing, and Subject Analysis and Access
May Chan
58:29
Agree with @Athena …. It will be stronger to get endorsement first from US/UK/Canada first and see what comes out that process. It will take some time …..
Violet Fox
58:30
Grateful to the Steering Committee for their work on this document, I think it will be valuable, especially for new professionals. I'd encourage you to document all the various populations you had input from for posterity!
Violet Fox
58:31
Can you talk about your goals for providing case studies?
Susan Morris
58:43
Thank you to Athena and I understand that it will take a while!
Violet Fox
59:51
But why, though? Can you clarify what benefit they'll provide?
Sarah Obenauf
59:56
I have a question not directly related to this presentation, but more generally. Should I ask offline?
Karen Snow
01:00:57
Sarah - related to the cataloging ethics effort or CORE or ….?
Violet Fox
01:01:15
Makes sense, thanks!
Sarah Obenauf
01:01:42
@Karen: how to get into cataloging as a public services librarian!
May Chan
01:02:02
Re: PR/community engagement/leading from the front lines … I hope as many of us possible can help raise awareness about the Code! That would be a first small step indicating widespread interest from the field to our institutions.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
01:02:07
Reminder that if you're not already a member of this interest group, you can join it at https://connect.ala.org/core/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=8360afab-32e0-4554-a28c-e5e373fa5574
Sarah Obenauf
01:02:14
Yes, my bad
Sarah Obenauf
01:02:18
I was using my title at work
Laura Daniels (sher/her)
01:02:27
+1 May!
Sarah Obenauf
01:03:09
Great, thanks! I'm on the right track then :)
Jasmine Kershaw
01:03:32
Once things are open again!
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
01:04:47
All Core interest groups: https://connect.ala.org/core/communities/all-core-groups/core-interest-groups
Sarah Obenauf
01:04:52
Thanks!
Shawne Miksa
01:05:15
Apologies, I thought it started in at 11am'
Stella Tang
01:05:19
learn the basic first
Violet Fox
01:05:27
Troublesome Catalogers Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/161813927168408
Betsy Ferwerda
01:05:28
Love Troublesome Catalogers :)
May Chan
01:05:31
Re: connection between cataloguing/technical services and public services …. Public services could be a potentially strong ally to making the case to our administrators re: importance of taking an ethical lens to resource description work.
Jesse Lambertson
01:05:39
thank you everyone for the conversation, cheers
Laura McElfresh
01:05:39
TC&MMF :https://www.facebook.com/groups/161813927168408
Bobby Bothmann
01:05:54
thanks everyone!
Catherine Sassen
01:06:17
Thank you, everyone!
Maria Ho
01:06:22
thank you everybody for the good work!
Betsy Ferwerda
01:06:23
A lot to think about, very informative.
Bobby Bothmann
01:06:25
GREAT JOB!!!!
Athena Salaba
01:06:26
Thanks everyone!
Mary Spila
01:06:33
Are you sharing it with state/regional library associations?
Karen Scoville
01:06:34
Thank you!
judith Cannan
01:06:38
Thank you very much
Paromita Biswas
01:06:41
Thank you!
Maria De La Torre-Lomeli
01:06:44
Thank you to all committee members and for all the work you do
Kelly Swickard
01:06:45
thank you very much
Amanda Ros
01:06:45
great job
Suzanne Sager
01:06:46
Thanks!
Rachel Whitman
01:06:48
Thank you!!
Stella Tang
01:06:51
I hope you exclude the phrase All standards are biased from the final codes
A. Houtkamp
01:07:13
thanks for the presentation, and everyone for their thoughts about this issue
Violet Fox
01:07:15
All standards ARE biased.
Amanda Ros
01:07:35
+1 Violet (you typed faster :-) )
Lori Robare
01:07:36
Thanks to all who helped create the code. So happy to have it.
Stella Tang
01:07:37
yes but you have to let the person makes his or her decision. and think about it
Jasmine Kershaw
01:07:43
You can't dismiss bias, can you? You can just acknowledge it.
Stella Tang
01:07:53
not dismis. but not all
Jennifer Martin
01:08:16
Thanks for the presentation!
Athena Salaba
01:08:30
the first step is to recognize the bias (standards and personal) before you can move to solutions :)
Stella Tang
01:08:30
that is already bias code
Margaret Joyce
01:08:45
Thanks for the update!
Jennifer Liss
01:08:47
Thank you, all!
shay beezley
01:08:57
Thanks everyone!