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Imagineering Interest Group (Core IG Week) - Shared screen with speaker view
Lauren Corbett
08:38
I have not -- am here to learn what the group is and what is does
Jesse Lambertson
08:43
this is my first, I must admit
Catherine Smith
08:51
This is my first as well.
Pam Taylor
08:59
my first, too!
Lauren Corbett
09:52
so true on time being weird right now
Lauren Corbett
10:43
what was the idea behind the name of the group?
Lauren Corbett
11:34
I got the same connotation!
Jesse Lambertson
14:38
What about the conflation between dystopia sci-fi and our virtual lives?...aye (oh no)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
15:21
It's also to talk about what these genres can tell us about technology and society, both now and in the future
Mary Aycock
18:12
I want medical tricorders—but probably not in my lifetime!
Bryan Baldus
18:29
While I like sci-fi, I'm a bit limited in what I read--I'm making my way through the Star Wars series (for the past 15-20 years), and Star Trek before that; but I had (before March 2020) been listening to auidobooks featurning time travel
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
19:15
@Bryan - time travel is one of my favorite subgenres!
Martha Simmons
19:48
yay for catalogers!
Mary Aycock
19:53
Where’s my Jetpack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_My_Jetpack%3F
Jesse Lambertson
19:59
What I find interesting about sci-fi, is that much of it is pessimistic, yet, it seems that we still build futures based on what these books say NOT to do...thoughts?
Dena Heilik
20:31
Why are we using dystopias as a roadmap, indeed!
Jesse Lambertson
21:00
Are we living in a culture that has rejected hope?
Martha Simmons
21:39
@jesse heavy.. I worry about this
Catherine Smith
23:27
I think that it is very common for sci-fi works to focus on the negatives or potential negatives of future development because it is a convenient way to identify "good guys" versus "bad guys."
Kevin Randall
23:35
@Jesse and Dena: That's a basic human problem, the refusal to learn from "history". We really should be analyzing past dystopian fiction in looking at current sociopolitical issues.
Mary Aycock
24:15
Are there fundamental flaws in the human character that predispose us toward dystopias? How does inequity in society influence this?
Elizabeth Davis
24:33
Complete segue for a later conversation, but does anyone recommend any particular fantasy sci/fi narrators? After a year of sleepless nights, I mostly just hear all my books.
Catherine Smith
25:07
We so often see the "good guys" as fighting against oppression and because we want to associate ourselves with the good guys, we must be trying to fight against something ourselves.
Athina Livanos-Propst
25:41
I'm completely smitten with Robin Miles as an audio book narrator!
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
26:20
I'm hoping to get details about Annual in the next month :)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
26:40
Hi, everyone - I'm a Core staff member (and avid SF reader). Just a quick note that our Code of Conduct can be found at http://www.ala.org/core/about/statement-of-conduct . Please contact me through private chat or at jlevine@ala.org if you experience any violations of the Code.
Allison Bailund
27:19
seconding Robin Miles; really enjoyed listening to the audio books of The Broken Earth
Dena Heilik
27:38
Adjoa Andoh does the Ann Leckie books and she's brilliant
Jesse Lambertson
27:41
Huxley also very important (destruction by searching after pleasure and 'painlessness')
Jeremy Brett
28:20
Hurray for Becky! She's amazing.
J Delfs
28:24
Dystopian futures are a warning for change now so we don't end up like that
Jesse Lambertson
28:29
Becky chambers, thank you for that recommendation
Bela Gupta
29:56
Great discussion on science fiction! I am getting power outage warnings on my tv. Seems like my internet connection may be lost soon in snowstorm beset New England.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
30:04
Earth Girl by Janet Edwards is like that, although I like Becky Chambers' books more
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
30:29
@Bela, we're recording this, so you can catch up with anything you miss
Lauren Corbett
30:42
some sleet in western NC today too
Kevin Randall
30:55
In regard to there always having to be a villain, it's probably because that is the easiest (laziest?) way of putting conflict into the story. (Conflict of some sort being a necessary component of a story.)
Mary Aycock
31:10
Earth Girls was great, seconding.
J Delfs
31:14
Recommendations for humorous SF?
Dena Heilik
31:15
@Kevin yup
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
31:42
The Lady Astronaut series is mostly like that, although the newest one is a mystery-based story
Dena Heilik
31:48
@J Delfs the Bobiverse series,
Jesse Lambertson
32:03
@KevinR +1 to Dena's yup to your comment... :)
Catherine Smith
32:27
Martha Wells's "Murderbot Diaries" is a fantastic humorous SF series. I think it's on the darker side, but I have never laughed so hard at a book. The audiobooks are great as well.
Michelle Echols
32:52
+1 Dena
Kevin Randall
32:53
Any recommendations for time travel stories where the logic (illogic?) of the concept is a major aspect?
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
32:59
+1 murderbot!
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
33:19
I have to find my list of time travel
Jesse Lambertson
33:25
I am also interested in that question (Kevin)
Jeremy Brett
33:37
Annalee Newitz' "The Future of another timeline" is great.
Jeremy Brett
33:58
True. :)
Trina Soderquist
34:06
Connie Willis' Oxford time travel series
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
34:16
One Day All This Will Be Yours is about to come out, and it's FANTASTIC (time travel)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
34:26
Connie Willis - yes, The Domesday Book!
Kevin Randall
34:40
Thanks for the suggestions! Question for moderators: Is the chat going to be saved as part of the recording?
Dena Heilik
34:55
I will save the chat :)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
35:01
@Kevin, yes, the chat will be part of the recording
Kevin Randall
35:04
Thanks!!!
Pat Dunn
35:07
Old Hugo and Nebula winners can be very rewarding (like 50s and 60s) The Big Show is an interesting time-travel book, one of the first of the time wars ideas.
Jeremy Brett
35:12
A great tine travel novella that involves climate change as a backdrop is Kelly Robson's "Gods, Monsters, and the Lucky Peach".
Jesse Lambertson
35:24
ah, comics as multi-verse...interesting
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
35:25
+1 Gods, Monsters, and the Lucky Peach
Mary Aycock
35:30
Midnight Library by Matt Haig was a great “what if” book.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
35:54
One of my fav books of the past few years is This Is How You Lose the Time War
Dena Heilik
36:05
@Jenny that's a great one!
Jeremy Brett
36:07
How You Lose The Time War is AWESOME.
Pat Dunn
36:10
DC has done numerous alternate universe stories Loved Red Son
Allison Bailund
36:10
the whole of Elseworlds
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
36:42
The Space Between Worlds is a new book that's a truly amazing multiverse title. I can't say enough good things about it
Pat Dunn
37:04
One of my favorite lighter SF novels is Redshirts
Pat Dunn
37:42
Yea, it turned very meta and darker, but the satire at the front was amazing
Bryan Baldus
38:15
All Our Wrong Todays--good alternate reality time travel
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
38:25
@Bryan - YESSSSSS
Pat Dunn
38:43
I need to catch up on modern sci-fi after all my older Hugo reading.
Bryan Baldus
39:04
Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus--interesting historical fiction/time travel
Jeremy Brett
39:24
Master of Poisons is incredible.
Dena Heilik
39:43
@Bryan: Until it becomes very very Mormon. But he at least gives you a heads up that that's where he's taking it.
Pat Dunn
39:58
I have discovered a web show called Critical Role about Dungeons and Dragons games played by voice actors. Amazing mix of drama, humor and gaming.
Jeremy Brett
40:11
Isn't Nora the best, Dena?
Bryan Baldus
40:34
High Rollers 1st season was a cool D&D game with webisodes
Jesse Lambertson
40:34
I saw Nk jemisin at a panel a few years ago
Catherine Smith
40:39
@Pat Critical Role is fantastic!
Jeremy Brett
40:48
You aim high. I like your ambition, Dena. :)
Jesse Lambertson
41:02
it was on afrofutures literature
Jesse Lambertson
41:06
quite cool
Pat Dunn
41:09
I am a fan at 65! Played D&D in late 1702
Jeremy Brett
41:23
agreed. That's how I get my donors for my collection. :)
Pat Dunn
41:46
@Catherine, just sent the cast a fan letter!
Catherine Smith
42:34
Can you share the listserv information in the chat so we can sign up?
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
43:02
Yes
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
43:05
The ALA Connect group is at https://connect.ala.org/core/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=e73298f2-3e08-4653-a410-e8eed210207b
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
43:11
Anyone can join it
Elizabeth Flores
43:16
I love the Aurora Burning series
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
43:18
You just need to log in using your ALA account
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
43:47
It will be like a mailing list - you can email it and get the discussions via email
Jesse Lambertson
44:44
One more question: what do folks think about our lives in virtual and simulation (or, simulacra)? Does that still fall under the dystopian heading? curious
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
45:08
This was the Imagineering IG author panel at the Core Forum this past November. I'm going to see if we can make the recording public since anyone could register for it - https://coreforum.learningtimesevents.org/sessions/pre1/
Kevin Randall
45:22
Positive dystopia?
Martha Simmons
45:35
Life
Kevin Randall
45:43
HA
Jesse Lambertson
45:55
Second life, is now our first life...
Pat Dunn
45:55
No, not necessarily. REad a recent story about scientists growing up AI digital objects that was very thought-provoking.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
46:11
Background reminder that our Code of Conduct can be found at http://www.ala.org/core/about/statement-of-conduct . Please contact me through private chat or at jlevine@ala.org if you experience any violations of the Code.
Jeremy Brett
46:44
There's always someone for whom living in a dystopia is a positive. A worrisomely large number of Americans, I think, would love to live in a zombie apocalypse.
Michelle Echols
46:56
Solarpunk?
Dena Heilik
47:13
@Jeremy yup
Bryan Baldus
47:42
This weekend, the Barbershop Harmony Society's Midwinter Conference took place in a world very similar to Second Life
Kevin Randall
48:58
So is Second Life something that came and went too soon?
Pat Dunn
49:08
There is also a new comic called DIE that is a D&D game within a game, from what I've read. Meta-fiction!
Martha Simmons
50:10
I don't disagree that AC is viewed that way, but - perhaps thankfully? - I know several grown men, and "serious" gamers who also enjoy AC :)
Pat Dunn
50:33
"Real art"?? I thought sci-fi flung off the sterotypes of the pulp age, lol
Dena Heilik
51:24
@Pat - I think that we've seen so much gatekeeping in SFF that "real art" is a definitely a controversial issue
Elizabeth Flores
52:17
Finally found my favorite funny SF read. Was also so excited to find a great Latina protagonist. Chilling Effect by Valerie Valdes
Pat Dunn
52:29
Hm. Very interesting. My cousin gave me her copies of "The Hobbit" and "The Making of Star Trek
Pat Dunn
53:06
and that started my whole imaginative life at age 12
Athina Livanos-Propst
54:47
@Pat, that's fantastic! I remember my brother's not being interested in SF, so my dad just shared all of his Star Trek stuff with me.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
55:11
+1 Project Hail Mary
Martha Simmons
55:20
@Dena Synecdoche, New York
Jesse Lambertson
56:26
+1
Pat Dunn
56:51
@Alina, great! My parents didn't really "get" SF but tolerated my interests. Mom was impressed to see Joan Collins in a Trek episode, lol
Jeremy Brett
58:09
+1 Mexican Gothic! Anything by Silvia Moreno-Garcia is amazing.
Catherine Smith
58:16
For another "post-pandemic" more hopeful/positive series: if you like John Scalzi and great mysteries, I highly recommend "Lock In" and the sequel "Head On." It's available as a great audiobook with 2 different versions because the gender of the main character is never specified, so the listener can choose between Wil Wheaton and Amber Benson.
Pat Dunn
58:34
I have read only good reviews on Mexican Gothic.
Martha Simmons
58:35
@Athina I'm listening to Mexican Gothic right now. I've thought before that the narrator has an odd cadence that tends to take me out of the story.
Martha Simmons
58:46
+1 Lock In series
Athina Livanos-Propst
58:56
The *story* of Mexican Gothic is fantastic!
Athina Livanos-Propst
59:11
The narrator for the audio has an oddly flat tone for that level of drama.
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
59:13
Mexican Gothic is on my TBR list
Catherine Smith
59:25
I had the same experience with Ancillary Justice! It really threw me.
Jeremy Brett
59:26
And Silvia's earlier books (which went out of print) are now being re-released by a different publisher, FYI.
Martha Simmons
59:27
I didn't notice the genderless protagonist either! I thought that was fascinating and it totally made me stop and evaluate myself. :)
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
59:32
Reminder you can join the Imagineering IG by logging in at https://connect.ala.org/core/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=e73298f2-3e08-4653-a410-e8eed210207b and you'll get emails for all of the discussions
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
01:00:13
Find the Notables Lists at https://sfnotables.org
Bryan Baldus
01:00:15
Man in the Empty Suit / Sean Ferrell: A time traveler parties with himself on his birthday in 2071; his narrator-self has to solve the mystery of seeing himself killed in the next year
Pat Dunn
01:00:24
I am very interested in this interest group!
Jenny Levine (Core staff, she/hers)
01:01:29
Good news - the author panel from the November Forum is now publicly available so you can watch it anytime - https://coreforum.learningtimesevents.org/sessions/pre1/
Lauren Corbett
01:01:30
what ages or grades are middle? My nephew is 11
Mary Aycock
01:01:51
Thank you Jenny for the link!
Bryan Baldus
01:01:58
Dark matter / Blake Crouch: alternate reality/multiverse/suspense fiction
Jesse Lambertson
01:01:59
I had to tune out, sorry. i go a phone call. thank you for the chat
Jesse Lambertson
01:02:23
this is good stuff
Dena Heilik
01:02:50
heilikd@freelibrary.org
Athina Livanos-Propst
01:02:53
Athina = alivanospropst@pbs.org
Dena Heilik
01:03:01
Dena
Pat Dunn
01:03:16
Very interesting. Sorry I missed so much due to dropping connections.
Bryan Baldus
01:03:22
Thank you
Jesse Lambertson
01:03:40
very fun, thank you
Mary Aycock
01:03:50
I love all the book recommendations!
Jesse Lambertson
01:03:55
cheers everyone
Martha Simmons
01:04:00
Thank you!
Lauren Corbett
01:04:01
thank you!
Pat Dunn
01:04:05
Chatting is good-- thank you all!
Catherine Smith
01:04:05
Thanks!
Harry Glass
01:04:05
thank you.