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TAG Discussion Session: Council and Executive Board Composition - Gallery view
Kaite Stover
01:43
Heyo from KCMO. Kaite Stover, Kansas City, MO, C-a-L
Sara Dallas
03:57
Hi Wanda
Barbara McGary
04:44
Hello! Barbara McGary, Chapter Councilor, PA
Amy Lappin
05:25
Hello Everyone from sunny but still a little chilly NH! Thanks for joining us today!
Muzhgan Nazarova
06:09
Greetings, fellow Councilors!
Sara Dallas
06:16
Sara Dallas, Councilor at Large
Karen Schneider
12:07
Hi from Sonoma County! ALA Exec Board member.
Jacquelyn Bryant
12:20
Hello. I am Jackie Bryant, ACRL Division Councilor
Diane Chen
12:31
Hello! Diane Chen, AASL division councilor, from Nashville TN
Alanna Aiko Moore
12:41
Hi all, Alanna Aiko Moore, Councilor at Large, from San Diego CA.
Wendy Stephens
12:41
Hello friends, Wendy Stephens, GNCRT councilor
Edward Sanchez
12:47
Hi Ed Sanchez from Milwaukee. Councilor-at-Large
Nick Tepe
12:56
Nick Tepe, Ohio Chapter councilor
Kim DeNero-Ackroyd
13:06
Hi everyone! Kim DeNero-Ackroyd, Councilor at Large from Cleveland Heights, OH
Brenda Ealey
13:37
Hi everyone! Brenda Ealey, Chapter Councilor, Nebraska
Kimberly Knight
13:46
Hello! Kimberly B. Knight, Councilor-at-Large from Virginia Beach, VA
Matthew Bollerman
14:09
Matthew Bollerman, SustainRT Councilor
Anchalee Panigabutra-Roberts
15:10
Joy Panigabutra-Roberts. Councilor-at-Large. Knoxville, Tennessee. Hello All.
Jennifer Boettcher
15:32
It this discussion about Council or Board?
John DeSantis
15:38
The current size is appropriate. Not all of us think that it should be smaller
Sherry Machones
15:51
+1 John
Wendy Stephens
15:52
I agree, John
Jennifer Boettcher
15:54
I agree with John,
Deb Sica
16:11
Leaner and more efficient.
Aubrey Iglesias
16:14
Hi -- Aubrey Iglesias, New Mexico Chapter Councilor
Alanna Aiko Moore
16:16
+1 Deb
Ana Elisa de Campos Salles
16:18
Hi Everyone, Ana Elisa de Campos Salles, Councilor-at-large for a few months more and Executive Board.
John DeSantis
16:55
Welcome, Sarah-- glad to see you here
Kaite Stover
17:43
I do not believe the current number of councilors is appropriate. It is too unwieldy. I would like to see a leaner and smoother council. The last several ALA Council meetings have NOT proven to me that the current model is working.
Jennifer Boettcher
18:06
can you tell me what you mean by Unwieldy?
Deb Sica
18:11
+1 Kaite
John DeSantis
18:23
I've been on Council continuously for 18 years. Clearly it's working for me
Mike Marlin
18:39
If you include every state and territory you are already at 57, and this is why I suggested reducing to geographical regions so that there can be more at large councilors than merely 6. Also, with virtual why should a large council be such a problem?
Kaite Stover
18:43
Jennifer, the fact that we are here in THIS meeting speaks volumes to me.
Victor Baeza
18:54
If virtual attendance is going to be an option, and council will be advisory, then I could see where ALA can grow to be larger to allow more representation from different groups.
Kaite Stover
20:08
Jennifer, also unwieldy=not easily managed, handled, or used. See Websters
Ann Symons
20:10
At our last meeting we numbers in 80-90, I would like to see a number about 110 or so. I also do not believe that one chapter councilor should represent several states. The work of of ALA at the local level is done by the states. Our state associations are vital to ALA
Dorcas Hand
21:26
I think 100 is manageable, with all the currently "named seats" plus about 20 at-large members. Definitely keep all the chapter councilors. I don't know why the regionals would be added. The NALCos.
Ann Symons
21:26
What if there were 30 at large councilors
Aubrey Iglesias
21:51
+Victor
Muzhgan Nazarova
22:01
Each Councilor-at-Large based on her/his background, experience and affiliation brings something different to the table. As colleagues say present structure has proven itself to be quite efficient for solving a number of important issues.
Nick Tepe
22:07
+1 Ann and dorcas
Sara Dallas
22:13
What are the demographics of ALA membership? Does the model 1 reflect the membership?
Ann Symons
22:30
As an at-large councilor I found it difficult not to be “responsible” to some group such as a chapter, a round table.
John DeSantis
22:35
+1 Muzhgan
Mike Marlin
22:39
Ann, 30 or 40 seems more reasonable than 6! And I understand every state chapter is critical, but I did not like the 57 versus 6 number TAG is suggesting.
Deb Sica
22:46
Great question, Sara! Are we member reflective?
Maggie Farrell
22:57
+ 1 Ann
Kim DeNero-Ackroyd
23:48
+1 Ann
Muzhgan Nazarova
24:08
Yes, the beauty of running for a Councilor-at-Large apart from representing a group or chapter that you run as independent candidate and you bring different and inoenedent perspectives
Jennifer Boettcher
24:25
It was in the Chat
Muzhgan Nazarova
24:36
+1 Ann
Karen Schneider
24:37
Amy did not use that term, it came up in chat.
Pauline Stacchini
25:10
How many staff vote in general elections in which councilors-at-large are elected? What percentage of membership actively participates in the election the at-large councilors?
Ann Symons
25:18
Alaska will never have enough ALA members to meet the threshold that some would like however we a vibrant state library association and a slew of challenges including intellectual freedom, serving small communities, etc.
Pauline Stacchini
25:18
D'oh - members not staff
Muzhgan Nazarova
25:43
At the same time all Councilor-at-Large are affiliated with ALA's different groups. so it is a double benefit for the Council.
Wendy Stephens
26:04
When I was an at-large councilor (2012-14), I used twitter and blogs to report out constantly….
Muzhgan Nazarova
26:57
Totally agree with my LOC colleague! Thanks, Joan!
Sarah Pritchard
27:01
When you are an at-large councilor, and your name is widely listed, ALA members seek you out -- it is hard to designate that it is a specific constituency. But people have issues that do not necessarily fit into a "designated" slot, and they want to talk to someone about it.
Jules Shore
27:24
+1 Sarah
Maggie Farrell
27:27
When I was at large - I communicated w a variety of groups including my state and nonALA groups such as BCR.
Keturah Cappadonia
28:05
I am a Councilor-at-Large and I use my experiences as a member of the Association of Bookmobile and Outreach Services, Association of Rural & Small Libraries, and the NY Library Association in addition to my work with 48 public libraries and public library systems across NY State to help inform my decisions and votes in Council.
John DeSantis
28:26
Yes, Sarah-- that's what I was about to say. As a councilor-at-large, I feel that I represent any ALA member who contacts me. I was elected from the entire membership
Muzhgan Nazarova
28:52
Absolutely, dear John!
Maggie Farrell
28:54
+1 John
Erica Freudenberger
29:17
+1 Keturah. Councilors-at-Large are also directly elected by membership, which is the most democratic approach to representation.
Susan Gregory
29:34
1+ John
Dorcas Hand
29:44
We have caucuses now - Youth Council Caucus is open to all always.
Sara Dallas
29:45
As a councilor at large, I represent the small rural, small urban and small suburban public libraries; and of course I have my interests in core values, Intellectual Freedom and Advocacy
Pauline Stacchini
29:45
How frequently are CaL's contacted by general membership (by folks they hadn't met in person) to express interest/concern about Council decisions?
Jennifer Boettcher
29:47
As a Member at large= MAL I feel like I can speak to anyone about ALA
Muzhgan Nazarova
29:50
Exactly, Erica! You better articulated what I was trying to say earlier!
Sarah Pritchard
29:51
I find this research cited: “Dunbar’s number,” which is based on research by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar who claims that the optimal size of communities, and even business organizations, is approximately 150 members."
Mike Marlin
30:10
And as a CAL I am also contacted by members from throughout the association, especially disability librarians/workers who have no other rpresentation
Jennifer Boettcher
30:58
Don't forget the 150 Dunbar number
Mike Marlin
31:31
how bout 37 to round out to 120?
John DeSantis
31:32
When ALA members at conference become aware that I'm a councilor, they often speak to me about concerns, Admittedly outside of conference, it does not happen often
Pauline Stacchini
32:05
Is the number of CaL's the issue, or are we maybe saying we need better communication opportunities between CaL's and general membership?
Pauline Stacchini
32:09
Maybe a more formal system?
Jennifer Boettcher
33:59
Hopefully the Pause Polls will give us a system to hear from members
John DeSantis
34:03
Very good observation, Pauline
Deb Sica
35:49
Perhaps an electoral college model?
Muzhgan Nazarova
35:58
This kind of discussions make our voices and opinions heard and shows that we really need a wider representation
Jennifer Boettcher
36:10
Deb are you serious?!
Lynn Johnson
36:13
+! Lorelei, as I am Chapter Councilor from Idaho.
Ann Symons
36:17
Totally agree with Lorelei
Nick Tepe
36:25
I liked what Joan was saying about caucuses, I think that facilitating that sort of organization within council would help with the advisory role, and if Council is not having to manage the government and policy business we would be able to really focus on the issues that we’re facing and coming up with creative solutions through caucuses or other new ways of organizing our work.
Sherry Machones
36:31
+1 Lorelei
Maria Taylor
36:32
+Lorelei
Deb Sica
36:41
Aren't we discussing our options?
Jennifer Boettcher
37:14
Council can have more Caucus and Task Forces
Muzhgan Nazarova
37:14
+1 Nick
Tod Colegrove
37:15
Exactly, Lorelei. I was glad to see TAG’s recommendation that preserved representation of councilors from each of the state chapters.
Lorelei Sterling
37:20
Thanks, the “smaller” states need a voice too.
Pauline Stacchini
38:30
Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Ed!
Nick Tepe
39:26
Going back to what Sara (I think) said earlier about demographics, I wonder if we could structure it so that the nominating committee refers to the organization’s professional demographics when making nominations for the at-large seats?
Muzhgan Nazarova
39:34
+1 ED
Keturah Cappadonia
39:59
Good point, Ed!
Jennifer Boettcher
40:06
Also as a member of Council, I hear and learn from the discussion.
Jennifer Boettcher
40:39
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Muzhgan Nazarova
42:44
yes, Jennifer! and it is two way communication. We also bring Council knowledge back to the groups we are affiliated with.
Andrea Lapsley
43:26
So what I am hearing is that 6 is too small a number. What about going to 25? That would bring council to 108. Still large enough to have diverse representation,
Lori Fisher
43:46
Why can't we reduce the number of Councilors at Large by making those positions regional? And - here's an unpopular thought - base it on population? Each state would have a councilor, but this would reduce the number of councilors as a whole
Dorcas Hand
44:02
@Amy - something like that seems wise.
Grace Jackson-Brown
44:07
I like that idea on reducing council size gradually that Joan suggested\
Muzhgan Nazarova
44:25
25 too small representation
Wendy Stephens
45:41
Elected from the AASL membership or the AASL board?
Jennifer Boettcher
45:54
An proposal from the WTTF Resolution - Council suggest that their was a penalty for not coming to Council. that you might want to consider
Mike Marlin
46:01
Please remember NALCo is not an official term...JCLC affiliate might be more appropriate?
Wendy Stephens
46:32
Thanks, Amy
Sara Dallas
47:20
thanks, for that
Mike Marlin
47:21
Ok, thanks Lee!
Alanna Aiko Moore
47:24
Agree LeRoy
Ann Symons
47:31
Nalco’s - I would like to understand more where this term came from and who are the Nalco's
Celia Avila De Santiago
48:12
Anne: https://www.jclcinc.org/about/
Sara Dallas
48:17
All members of the executive board, will need to be ALA members, correct?
Alanna Aiko Moore
48:24
Ann, the National Associations of Librarians of Color (NALCo)--AILA, APALA, BCALA, JCLC, REFORMA, CALA
LeRoy LaFleur
48:58
@Sarah Yes, ALA membership would be a requirement
Sara Dallas
49:10
Thanks, LeRoy
Sarah Pritchard
49:11
+1 Liana -- I worry about EBD being too "designated." It needs to speak with broad concerns at hand.
Mike Marlin
49:34
+1
Karen Schneider
49:45
+1 Sarah
Jennifer Boettcher
50:09
What are the suggested terms for the Board, non-officers?
John DeSantis
50:49
Having served on the Executive Board, I find that the current size is effective and appropriate
Sarah Pritchard
51:33
Wasn't the "all voices" the original purpose of Council itself? And that's why Council needs to e larger?
Muzhgan Nazarova
51:41
+1 John
Jennifer Boettcher
52:20
What about some seats be voted on by Council?
Mike Marlin
52:38
Brenda's comment about fiscal management is important *if* the Board is going to meet in person 4 times per year. It, just like Council has been twice a year, is a sizeable expense. if only one in person mtg per year then a slightly larger Board/Council may be doable.
Barbara McGary
52:55
Great points Nick
Edward Sanchez
54:19
Great point Susan!
John DeSantis
55:57
Thank you, Betty
Tod Colegrove
56:08
Hear, hear. Thank you Betty Turock!
Joan Weeks
57:19
Yes Betty Thank you
Mike Marlin
57:22
Bylaws committee is mindful of what Jennifer raises!
Tara Brady
57:23
after all of this conversation about the expense of governance I would hope we aren't planning to ask the membership to pay for room board and travel for 25 people four times a year. shouldn't this body meet virtually?
Erica Freudenberger
57:41
+1 Tara
Wendy Stephens
57:52
You said it, Tara
Muzhgan Nazarova
59:39
+1 Sara
John DeSantis
01:00:07
In addition to conference meetings, the Board has all day meetings twice a year. Doing this virtually is simply not practical
Susan Gregory
01:00:22
Agreed, Joan.
Ann Symons
01:00:30
Executive Board: we have lived through 2+ years of virtual. I don’t see virtual as a way for the Board to be effective and I also think that the size of the board should stay at 121
John DeSantis
01:00:39
Before there was Zoom, we had monthly conference calls also
Ann Symons
01:00:41
12 not 121
John DeSantis
01:01:26
+1 Ann
Ann Symons
01:02:01
Yes, John agree but we were often taking up issues that couldn’t wait for a next meeting and issues based on policy in place.
Ann Symons
01:02:42
Expense is always going to be a barrier to serving on the Executive Board if ALA isn’t paying.
Jennifer Boettcher
01:02:55
when are meeting again?
Jennifer Boettcher
01:03:20
when are WE meeting again? sorry
LeRoy LaFleur
01:03:27
I believe Exec Board and Council would continue to meet virtually or hybrid with one or two in person meetings.
Al Kagan
01:04:27
How is TAG going to use today’s discussion? Al Kagan, SRRT
Ann Symons
01:04:48
+1 Diane
Nick Tepe
01:04:56
+1 Diane
Dorcas Hand
01:05:16
Spot on, Diane!
Wendy Stephens
01:05:17
Thank you, Diane, for this important message
Jennifer Boettcher
01:06:07
There are lot of allied fields that librarians fill, that maybe ALA can be a voice for too.
Karen Schneider
01:06:35
+1 Tracie
Muzhgan Nazarova
01:08:03
Thanks, Tracie!
Edward Sanchez
01:08:52
Thanks Tracie, Amy, TAG and the wonderful assembly of voices here today!
Jennifer Boettcher
01:09:13
I'm speaking at a DC Librarian event about how ALA Works and advice about going to Conference in DC in June.
Leslie L Morgan
01:09:24
I will respond more next conversation-fyi
Jennifer Boettcher
01:09:51
Does have anyone have a slide deck I can use? Please send it my way boettcher@georgetown.edu
Mike Marlin
01:09:52
Thanks, TAG and fellow councilors and ALA staff!
Grace Jackson-Brown
01:10:01
Have a good afternoon! Thanks for the conversation.
Alanna Aiko Moore
01:10:10
Thank you Amy, TAG for all your work!
Muzhgan Nazarova
01:10:20
Thanks for the excellent discussion and background work!
Kaite Stover
01:10:22
I do appreciate all the discussion today!
Tod Colegrove
01:10:23
Thanks, all!!
John DeSantis
01:10:23
Jennifer-- check with Conference Services-- they may have something
Karen Schneider
01:10:29
Thanks, Amy and everyone else!!
Nick Tepe
01:10:33
Thanks Amy and TAG!
Celia Avila De Santiago
01:10:38
Thanks everyone!
Sara Dallas
01:10:47
Once again, thank you TAG and ALA staff for all of your work on this
Raymond Garcia, ALA Staff
01:10:51
Registration links for those session will be sent soon
Leslie L Morgan
01:10:53
Thank You TAG...lots to reflect now that conversation one has happened
Jennifer Boettcher
01:11:02
I will ask on Connect.
Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her0
01:11:04
Thank you, Amy and Tag Team!
Wendy Stephens
01:11:15
Important stuff, thanks so much